B But thus saith the Lord God: O fools, they shall have a Bible; C and it shall proceed forth from the Jews, mine ancient covenant people. , how the early Christian church changed many of the early texts of the Bible to fit its particular theology. 16:1-4; 17:4.) Among the things to be accomplished by the multiple books of scripture are: (1) to give a multiple witness of Christ; (2) to show that the Lord does speak the same gospel to one people as to another, and (3) to prove that God does honor his covenant that he made with Abraham, promising to remember his seed forever (2 Nephi 29:14). "Strikingly, with the exception of the smallest fragments, no two of these copies are exactly alike in all their particulars. For is there any agreement among those maintaining such a position as to what version of the Bible should be used or what the Bible is saying on a host of matters. [Amy Blake Hardison, "Being a Covenant People," in Covenants Prophecies and Hymns of the Old Testament, p. 26]. Although there were isolated attacks on its contents, its supreme authority in the United States was generally well-accepted. 110:11.) They had their Moses and their Lehi, were guided by the spirit of revelation, kept the law of Moses, and carried with them the statutes and judgments which the Lord had given them in age past. Add Bookmark. unto the Nephites . they knew God personally, for they had seen Him face to face. . Ne… "Thus it is, , that Christ should suffer and on the third day rise from the dead" (Luke 24:46, emphasis added). When the Lord says, I remember those who are upon the isles of the sea, He is referring to the Nephites, among others. We Have Got a Bible, and There Cannot Be Any More Bible: A Bible! The real meaning of the scripture is that the commandments of God should not be altered. 2 Nephi … Most people who cry, we have got a Bible, and there cannot be any more Bible, have no idea why they believe that. . Nephi continues the narrative of 2 Nephi by recording the death of his father, Lehi. . Many of those who killed and persecuted the Jews at this time were staunch believers in the Bible. He notes that there are 5,366 copies of the original New Testament texts that have survived over time. . Just as the Bible is a collection of many books, and the Book of Mormon is a collection also, likewise the records of the ten lost tribes will probably be a collection of various books. 2 Nephi 7. Thus, Nephi was doing nothing that hadn't been done before. : In 2 Nephi 29, a statement is made concerning the origin of the Bible: Have ye obtained a bible save it were by the Jews?" And from Hebrews, Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever (Heb 13:8). signifies to bring forth. If the great Jehovah wishes to add to His words, who is man to forbid Him? Therefore, in order to justify his punishment of the wicked, his word must also be established by more than one witness. . "Thou fool, that shall say: 'A Bible, we have got a Bible, and we need no more Bible.'" An old Jew without any authority added the word; he thought it too bad to begin to talk about the head! unto All Nations of the Earth: , which I have led away, and they            shall write it; The Jews Shall Have the Words of the Nephites: During the reformation Bible translators did not understand or recognize this poetic form and in many instances selected words and sentence structures in a way that much of the parallel nature of the phrasing was covered over. 88. The purpose of the Law of Moses was to teach and testify of Christ. Keys are the right of presidency, the power to direct; and by this power the Lost Tribes will return, with "their prophets" and their scriptures to "be crowned with glory, even in Zion, by the hands of the servants of the Lord, even the children of Ephraim." This is an incredible revelation! Isaiah 29 is one of the most often cited scriptural passages of the Restoration. we have got a Bible, and there cannot be any more Bible" (2 Nephi 29:3). . . The prophet's words are as follows: And because my words shall hiss forth, many of the Gentiles shall say, A Bible a Bible, we have got a Bible, and there can not be any more Bible. [Robert J. Matthews, "Two Ways in the World," in, I Am God, and . This thought process is false for the following reasons-first the books that we know as the New Testament were not compiled at the time of John's writing. It is our modern counterpart to those of Jesus' day who rejected him in the pretense of being loyal to the Law of Moses, the irony being that loyalty to the Law of Moses demanded acceptance of Jesus as the Christ. If there is a title page in that third set of sacred records, it is not likely to differ in purpose from the title page in the Book of Mormon, except for its focus on still other peoples who likewise received a personal visit from the resurrected Jesus (see 3 Ne 15:20-24; 16:1-4)." As mentioned in the commentary for 2 Nephi 26, however, there are differences between Isaiah's and Nephi's versions of these materials. Have Ye Obtained a Bible Save It Were by the Jews? "Many ancient prophecies foretold that in the last days the Lord would set up an ensign to the nations, a standard to which Israel and the righteous of all nations might gather. 2 Nephi 10. . Some have titled this ancient poetic language style "Hebrew parallelism," although it is not entirely unique to early Hebrew. Hugh Nibley takes the interpretation even one step further: "These words are those of the prophet Nephi, found in the Book of Mormon, a book which in many such passages opens a window on other worlds. 455-8), I shall proceed to do a marvelous work among them, that I may set my hand again the second time to recover my people, my words shall hiss forth unto the ends of the earth, for a standard unto my people. This is their proof that the heavens closed after the Bible was written. This great gathering will take place under the direction of the President of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, for he holds the keys of 'the gathering of Israel from the four parts of the earth, and the leading of the ten tribes from the land of the north.' . Coincides with your Come, Follow Me studies. . This great gathering will take place under the direction of the President of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, for he holds the keys of "the gathering of Israel from the four parts of the earth, and the leading of the ten tribes from the land of the north" (D&C 110:11). The Gentiles are chastised by the Lord for using the Bible with an attitude of ingratitude. He will not destroy a people for wickedness until they have been adequately warned. "'We have no knowledge of the location or condition of that part if the Ten Tribes who went into the north country.' . Physically, in coming to earth, Jesus invades the domain of Satan and engages in a contest for souls (see Isaiah 49:25; 53:12; 2 Nephi 2:29). This reasoning would eliminate the vast majority of the Holy Bible from Deuteronomy chapter 5 on to Revelations chapter 22--over a thousand pages of the. An old Jew without any authority added the word; he thought it too bad to begin to talk about the head! . . Basically chapter 27 is Nephi's quoting of the Isaiah materials found in the King James Version in Isaiah 29:6-24. But as demonstrated, a universal poetry could not use the repetition of sound for different languages. ... 2 Nephi 29. The Book of Mormon, however, contained a disturbing insight--that the Bible came forth in purity from the Jews, but its plain and precious parts were taken away by the Gentiles "that they might blind the eyes and harden the hearts of the children of men" (See 1 Nephi 13:25-29). "The argument is, as the Lord suggests, most foolish. 2 Nephi 4. Unlike other poetic forms, the parallel phrasing of the ancient prophets is not lost when carefully translated from one language to another. (2 Nephi 29:3). Their record will contain the story of Christ's visit to them after his ascension and visit to the Nephites, But now I go unto the Father, and also to show myself unto the lost tribes of Israel, for they are not lost unto the father, for he knoweth wither he hath taken them (3 Ne 17:4). One historian studied seventy-five hundred "eternal" treaties that were signed between 1500. . eyewitnesses, and ministers of the word" had "taken in hand to set forth in order a declaration of those things which are most surely believed among us" (Luke 1:1, emphasis added). 2 Nephi 15. Many Shall Say in That Day: A Bible! Although it is not the intention of this commentary to "go on the negative" and personally attack or disparage other peoples ideas, yet because of the Lord's words of warning here in 2 Nephi concerning the reasoning of men in the latter-days, I will relate the following story by Fred Collier: I used to go to the state fair and when I went, I would always visit the anti-Mormon exhibits. A Bible! See also commentary for 1 Ne 14:7 and 2 Ne 25:17. During the reformation Bible translators did not understand or recognize this poetic form and in many instances selected words and sentence structures in a way that much of the parallel nature of the phrasing was covered over. McConkie and Millet comment on this view: "The fundamental error of Bible cultists is the doctrine of Bible infallibility. Rhyming poetry is lost in translation, but notice what occurs when the parallelism of this verse is translated into Spanish: Although the words have changed from English to Spanish, the repetition and pattern of words is obvious even to those who do not understand Spanish. View Downloads. Where are the records of these important truths? I covenanted with Abraham that, According to Amy Hardison, in most covenant treaties of the past, the suzerain (or lord) stated that the covenant was to remain effective forever. . According to Robert Matthews, these records do not consist only of single books from each major branch of Israel. The lost ten tribes will produce the third witness that Jesus is the Christ. (Apocrypha, 2 Esdras 13:40-47), "...The Lost Tribes are not lost unto the Lord. . Their brethren who have been scattered are meanwhile being gathered by the great missionary effort of the latter days. This argument implies that John was writing the book of Revelation as the last chapter of the New Testament. 2 Nephi 29:13 The Nephites and the Jews Shall Have the Words of the Lost Tribes of Israel: In 2 Nephi 29:12-13, Nephi recites the words of the God of the house of Israel, who also covenanted with Abraham that he would remember his seed forever: For behold, I shall speak unto the Jews and they shall write it; and I shall also speak unto the Nephites and they shall write it; and I shall also speak unto the other tribes of the house of Israel, which I have led away, and they shall write it; and I shall also speak unto all nations of the earth and they shall write it. they aligned them with their own theology] (Ehrman, 29). . . . [Allen H. Richardson, David E. Richardson and Anthony E. Bentley, 1000 Evidences for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints: Part Two-A Voice from the Dust: 500 Evidences in Support of the Book of Mormon, , p. 91] [See the commentary on 1 Nephi 13:26]. Remember Jerome? It also explains why the sound of some spiritual writing is considered beautiful beyond expression to one people but uninspiring to some others. ", According to Amy Hardison, in most covenant treaties of the past, the suzerain (or lord) stated that the covenant was to remain effective forever. The logical extension of such reasoning would be to reject the Gospel of Mark in the name of loyalty to Matthew or to reject the witness of Peter in the pretense of loyalty to Paul and his teachings." Google Plus One Pinterest Tweet Widget Facebook Like Share on Facebook. 185-186]. The Latin Bible is Jerome's Bible. Why is this a divine form? Proof of this is seen in the fact that they were a cohesive body that the Lord could visit in the meridian of time (3 Ne 17:4), that they had their own prophets who would record this visit and other prophecies (v. 12), and that they will return as a cohesive unit from the north to receive their temple blessings at the hands of the Ephraimites (DC 133:26-32). Then he adds his own commentary and likens or applies “passages from Isaiah 29 concerning the destruction of Jerusalem to the destruction of his own people in the Americas… . Downloads Male Voice (MP3) Female Voice (MP3) Entire Book (PDF) Text Settings. He lived right among the Jews when he wrote it, all those many years in Bethlehem. . I Nephi - Moroni. It will tell us, when it is received, about the Savior's visit to the ten tribes after his appearance to the Nephites. In essence, 2 Nephi 27 (Isaiah 29) is a detailed prophecy about the coming forth of the Book of Mormon. And what of the Savior's post-resurrection teachings. We Have Got a Bible: Matthew Brown comments, What of the argument that the Bible contains the complete word of God and there is, therefore, no need for further scripture? Brown, All Things Restored: Confirming the Authenticity of LDS Beliefs. (Salt Lake City, UT: Greg Kofford Books, 2007), 2:60. A A Bible, we have got a Bible, and we need no more Bible. 2 Nephi 13. Thou Fool That Shall Say: A Bible! Like mortal lords, God intends his covenants to span generations and even eternities. Most of the time when the scriptures speak of the ensign lifted up in the last days, it refers to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. A Bible! Human power could not have done what has been done among the Latter-day Saints. [Allen H. Richardson, David E. Richardson and Anthony E. Bentley, 1000 Evidences for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints: Part Two-A Voice from the Dust: 500 Evidences in Support of the Book of Mormon, p. 91] [See the commentary on 1 Nephi 13:26]. 2 Nephi 28:30. by LDS Scripture of the Day | posted in: Book of Mormon | 0 . These three records are to be shared by each group so that each will eventually have the records of the others. A Bible! . Rosh--the head. There is excellent historical evidence from ancient historians Xenophon and Josephus that Isaiah did indeed use the name "Cyrus" long before the Babylonish captivity and the birth of Cyrus. . In doing so, he was not quoting from Isaiah but Remember Jerome? 2 Skousen, Analysis of Textual Variants, 4–2:897, appears to follow the suggestion that there was a physical change in skin color. D And what thank they the Jews for the Bible which they receive from them? Because of this there is a division among the people and Nephi ends up … (D&C 133:26-35) [Bruce R. McConkie, , p. 458] [See the commentary on 1 Nephi 22:4; 3 Nephi 16:1]. From our latter-day perspective we see that the covenants God made with Abraham extended not only to the Exodus but even thousands of years beyond, to the current gathering of Israel. They are apparently unaware that this same mandate was given over a thousand years earlier in Deuteronomy 4:2: "Ye shall not add unto the words which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you."